tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post8166872059427165877..comments2023-10-20T15:58:32.114+01:00Comments on Monkey Tennis: BBC erases all traces of lies over Bush speech report; so what have we learned?Mikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04660746207471021762noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-41827487429371793502008-04-06T13:38:00.000+01:002008-04-06T13:38:00.000+01:00Anon – thanks for dropping by. I'll go check out M...Anon – thanks for dropping by. I'll go check out Mr Crawford.<BR/><BR/>The BBC does sometimes have bylines on the website, but often the stories are just wire reports from AP, Reuters etc which BBC journalists edit, and to which they add their own editorialising masquerading as 'analysis'. For a good example of this see the post near the top about the BBC report on the latest Iraq casualty numbers.<BR/><BR/>If someone's name is on a story I'll single them out, but equally deserving of criticism is the 'group think' that prevails at the BBC on issues such as Iraq or global warming.<BR/><BR/>Harrabin's stuff appears both on the website and on TV. Richard Black is another shameless climate alarmism shill who writes for the website.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660746207471021762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-2426424651714957742008-04-05T09:50:00.000+01:002008-04-05T09:50:00.000+01:00arrrived from charlescrawford.biz.Glad i took the ...arrrived from charlescrawford.biz.<BR/><BR/>Glad i took the trip very interesting journal.<BR/><BR/>You were once "on" newspaper and if you get a minute why do papers show bylines but not the BBc.?<BR/><BR/>I ask because although rightly berating the BBc as a whole the berating is more useful if personally directed.<BR/>For example David "Hapless" Harabin non scientist BBC science journo is mocked and derided blogwide for his stuff on "global alarmism" which is often... well words fail me!<BR/><BR/>It must be chastening at the very least to read that the world jeers at your news and regards you as a tosser!<BR/><BR/>Being held to account presumably helps to extreme bias at bay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-6698514692204929782008-03-27T07:45:00.000+00:002008-03-27T07:45:00.000+00:00Came in via LGF. Just wanted to thank you for your...Came in via LGF. Just wanted to thank you for your thorough reporting on this issue, and your making a clear and compelling case for the significance of the headline & sentence in the story.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I tend to forget just how damaging media bias against other points of view is, given that I've gotten used to conservatives and thoughtful liberals being smeared in one way or another for a long time now.Ashokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13888023208356336263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-62223699195376767382008-03-26T20:34:00.000+00:002008-03-26T20:34:00.000+00:00You worry about what he said. The rest of the worl...You worry about what he said. The rest of the world will judge him by what he did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-14400655677589632962008-03-26T19:59:00.000+00:002008-03-26T19:59:00.000+00:00Dom, you whined, "Living in the UK I don't get to ...Dom, you whined, "Living in the UK I don't get to see a lot of Fox News. In fact I don't get to see it ever."<BR/><BR/>Well then, get Sky you cheap-ass. Quit making yourself look stupid.<BR/><BR/>You guys are freakin paranoid about the BBC. Get a life...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-64140157435346242632008-03-25T23:18:00.000+00:002008-03-25T23:18:00.000+00:00Humbert said it best:You cannot hope to bribe or t...Humbert said it best:<BR/><BR/>You cannot hope to bribe or twist,<BR/>Thank God, <BR/>the British journalist.<BR/><BR/>But seeing what the man will do<BR/>unbribed<BR/>There's no occasion to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-18293544930630225192008-03-25T14:06:00.000+00:002008-03-25T14:06:00.000+00:00I'm linking you to a few Fulham fans as well.Good ...I'm linking you to a few Fulham fans as well.<BR/><BR/>Good work!pettyfoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08540928452110124780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-91518448382755363882008-03-25T12:37:00.000+00:002008-03-25T12:37:00.000+00:00The MSM doesn't just cut-an-paste or omit selction...The MSM doesn't just cut-an-paste or omit selctions, they make it a point to change the wording to suit their opinions. Joseph Goebbels is smiling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-90181280259568546972008-03-25T04:03:00.000+00:002008-03-25T04:03:00.000+00:00johnnydee, when paying for Fox News becomes mandat...johnnydee, when paying for Fox News becomes mandatory then you might have a more fitting comparison. As it stands, you can turn off Fox News any time you want and that's the end of it. On the other hand, the BBC gets your money no matter they do. You'd think they would feel just a modicum of responsibility to honestly serve <I>all</I> the people that pay for their existence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-30922907629362444382008-03-25T03:24:00.000+00:002008-03-25T03:24:00.000+00:00See, the problem with johnnydee is, that since he'...See, the problem with johnnydee is, that since he's a liberal, anything to the right of him is a right-wing conspiracy. By using the liberal tactic of redefining truth to suit his own values, he makes a middle of the road news service like Fox appear to be part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy".<BR/>Also, it seems the Brits (BBC) are having a bit of a problem understanding and using the Queen's English.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05368216610185592013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-65464270210970024262008-03-25T03:20:00.000+00:002008-03-25T03:20:00.000+00:00Only slightly off topic: I searched your site (fou...Only slightly off topic: I searched your site (found via Instapundit) but I couldn't find any mention of the BBC's use of the Deghayes' photo affair - he was recently released from Guantanamo. <BR/><BR/>I panned the Guardian for it but the BBC was just as guilty. You can find the details here: <BR/><BR/>http://georgejunior.blogspot.com/2008/03/photo-journalism.html<BR/><BR/>Laziness, poor research, manipulative journalism or not really something to get worked up about? You be the judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-75006810678858708002008-03-25T02:48:00.000+00:002008-03-25T02:48:00.000+00:00johnnydee,"Are you gonna complain about the right ...johnnydee,<BR/><BR/>"Are you gonna complain about the right wing media lies/manipulation/deception?<BR/><BR/>Or does the RW press not have any bias?"<BR/><BR/>I take it you agree that the BBC told a lie consistent with a left-wing agenda. Since you're all about integrity, I'm sure you care that the BBC has become as openly biased as the generally patriotic Fox News, but if you can identify clear lies on Fox News, by all means blog about it. I'm sure you wouldn't be the first anti-Fox blogger - but one with integrity? I'd be impressed. My experience is that people abuse the notion of integrity - which is essentially doing what you lead people to expect honestly and properly - to smear others without much basis. Mike pointed out a BBC lie. You claimed that the fact he doesn't equate the BBC to Fox is a stain on his integrity - BS. Personally I think it's pretty embarassing that my license fee supports this political agenda - embarassing because I also know what the BBC can be like at it's best. Current affairs shows are generally impressive, and other BBC output can be great, but the whole news outfit is a stain on the integrity of the BBC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-48441710699852414952008-03-25T02:30:00.000+00:002008-03-25T02:30:00.000+00:00johnnydee, here's an idea. You show us a left wing...johnnydee, here's an idea. You show us a left wing site that reports on the left wing lies/manipulation/deception as well as that of the right wing. Give us an example that gives you a basis for your demands of right wing sites.<BR/><BR/>We're waiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-81948794909062378152008-03-25T01:44:00.000+00:002008-03-25T01:44:00.000+00:00Nice dodge.Are you gonna complain about the right ...Nice dodge.<BR/><BR/>Are you gonna complain about the right wing media lies/manipulation/deception?<BR/><BR/>Or does the RW press not have any bias?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-26367615413851696032008-03-25T01:38:00.000+00:002008-03-25T01:38:00.000+00:00johnnydee,I can't see how a post that intends to i...johnnydee,<BR/><BR/>I can't see how a post that intends to inspire integrity can begin by telling someone who is calling the media out on a lie to quit whining. You confused integrity with a popular anti-war agenda, however well-meaning. Mike's posts are about the BBC's integrity - you give a shit or what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-25900467122424438482008-03-25T01:31:00.000+00:002008-03-25T01:31:00.000+00:00Johnnydee…1. Living in the UK I don't get to see a...Johnnydee…<BR/><BR/>1. Living in the UK I don't get to see a lot of Fox News. In fact I don't get to see it ever.<BR/><BR/>2. We're not talking about bias or manipulation, we're talking about proveable lies.<BR/><BR/>3. When did lefties start caring about integrity?<BR/><BR/>Quit making yourself look stupid.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660746207471021762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-19526400332931887092008-03-25T01:16:00.000+00:002008-03-25T01:16:00.000+00:00Quit your whining.Lemme see all the posts you make...Quit your whining.<BR/>Lemme see all the posts you make when FOX News makes misleading, deceitful and plain lying headlines.<BR/>Your integrity would be enhanced if you complained across the board at all media manipulation.<BR/>Or do the right wing media not have a bias?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-86888013445492113212008-03-25T00:55:00.000+00:002008-03-25T00:55:00.000+00:00Mike,"Is it because there are others in the organi...Mike,<BR/><BR/>"Is it because there are others in the organization who do care about accuracy and could inflict some pain on the rogues who put this up? Are they worried outsiders (politicians, etc.) might get involved?"<BR/><BR/>I suggest yes and yes. Over the last few years the BBC has been taken to court by the government (the Hutton Inquiry), a <A HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770" REL="nofollow">slew of insiders</A> have criticised its liberal bias and a number of high profile lawyers not to mention <A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?_DARGS=/core/lowerHeaderBarWideFrag.jhtml" REL="nofollow">The Telegraph</A> have compiled dossiers on them - it hasn't changed them a great deal, but senior editors will be more cautious when bloggers such as yourself and Charles catch them out. Bear in mind that the market leaders in quality, mid-market and tabloid news are all conservative (The Telegraph, The Daily Mail and The Sun respectively) which pits them against the BBC/Guardian/Independent angle and ought to keep the "impartial" BBC on its toes. License fees keep going up and it does make the front page.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-89039675796176890122008-03-25T00:53:00.000+00:002008-03-25T00:53:00.000+00:00Michael:Good question. I think once they were caug...Michael:<BR/><BR/>Good question. I think once they were caught they couldn't just leave it up there. Maybe, like you suggest, they were worried about politicians or industry watchdogs being alerted. <BR/><BR/>And I'm sure there are journalists at the BBC who are committed to honest reporting – they're just in a minority.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660746207471021762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-75059522207618081312008-03-25T00:40:00.000+00:002008-03-25T00:40:00.000+00:00i also screengrabbed the original headline:over he...i also screengrabbed the original headline:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://bbc-biased.blogspot.com/2008/03/bbc-lies-about-bush-claiming-victory.html" REL="nofollow">over here</A>John Trenchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18212068575561254839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-83856132613193508992008-03-25T00:05:00.000+00:002008-03-25T00:05:00.000+00:00I agree there is no way this misreporting was an a...I agree there is no way this misreporting was an accident and, as you say, it must have involved several reporters and managers. <BR/><BR/>So, the interesting question is: why correct it at all? I mean, once they have decided to lie to support their political agenda, why not just continue to roll with it? Is it because there are others in the organization who do care about accuracy and could inflict some pain on the rogues who put this up? Are they worried outsiders (politicians, etc.) might get involved? Seriously, what is the perceived threat? They already demonstrated contempt for the truth by lying in the first place and almost certainly don't view a blogger or two as a serious problem. Knowing the precise answer to this question could be useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-59691887515247942552008-03-25T00:02:00.000+00:002008-03-25T00:02:00.000+00:00db and Jonathan: I want to have your babies.Give m...db and Jonathan: I want to have your babies.<BR/><BR/>Give me a few minutes with Photoshop…Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660746207471021762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-40014895227216754782008-03-24T23:36:00.000+00:002008-03-24T23:36:00.000+00:00The beeb only exists now to enable those who would...The beeb only exists now to enable those who would destroy our freedoms and our beliefs...nothing short of destruction can redeem it.Thudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18320037763190473684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-80392144292195795372008-03-24T22:02:00.000+00:002008-03-24T22:02:00.000+00:00"I stupidly didn't think to screen-grab the headli...<I>"I stupidly didn't think to screen-grab the headline on the original story"</I><BR/><BR/>Having read your account I made a point of <A HREF="http://i27.tinypic.com/m6ff5.jpg" REL="nofollow"> doing so</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1365978314586477650.post-56973329724577825922008-03-24T21:55:00.000+00:002008-03-24T21:55:00.000+00:00It seems to be a rather widespread phenomena -- me...It seems to be a rather widespread phenomena -- media putting their "liberal" urge to change the world ahead of concentrating on honest reporting as to what's going on in it -- and not just in US or Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com